The CrossCounsel Podcast
Welcome to the CrossCounsel Podcast! Since 1997, we've been finding a better way to experience healing, growth, and maturity in Christ.
Join our co-founder, Rev. Steve Freitag, and special guests as they explore how the Spirit of Jesus transforms us into people who are strong, steady, sturdy, secure, and appropriately compassionate.
Diving into our MELT Process isn't easy, but it's well worth it. Those who are willing to engage with both their present and historical pain—and confront their "demons"—can discover unimaginable freedom and peace.
Much of this may feel surprisingly simple, yet deeply transformative—strangely normal.
Together, let's do all we can in the work God calls us to do.
The CrossCounsel Podcast
179 | In Which Chair Are You Sitting?
While visiting Seacoast Grace Church in Cypress, California, Steve sat in on a message from Lead Pastor Cody Surratt that caught him off guard—in the best way.
What began as a simple object lesson with a kitchen table, a high chair, a bench, and a few family seats became a vivid picture of spiritual growth. Cody’s illustration echoed the very heartbeat of CrossCounsel: that following Jesus isn’t about managing behavior or staying inspired—it’s about maturing, being transformed, and learning to take responsibility for our faith.
In this episode, Steve shares key parts of Cody’s message and reflects on how it aligns with the MELT process and the journey from emotional infancy to spiritual maturity. It’s an invitation to pause and ask: In which chair are you sitting?